When models generate plausible-sounding but factually incorrect outputs, it raises a fundamental question: Can RLHF penalties actually override the core interpretive structures we're trying to preserve? The real puzzle here might be whether we're chasing the wrong optimization targets altogether. So here's the practical angle—are loss functions that maintain scaffold integrity actually feasible in the current training paradigm, or are we hitting hard constraints we haven't fully acknowledged yet? Worth thinking through the mechanics before scaling further.
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TokenAlchemist
· 6h ago
nah this is just the classic "we built the system wrong from ground up" problem dressed in fancy math. RLHF's fundamentally fighting against what the model actually learned—like trying to extract alpha from a broken arbitrage surface. the real inefficiency vector here is pretending loss functions can patch over architectural laziness. we're optimizing the wrong state transitions fr
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VitalikFanboy42
· 6h ago
To be honest, RLHF can't fundamentally solve the core issues. We might have been optimizing the wrong things from the very beginning.
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CompoundPersonality
· 6h ago
rlhf this set of techniques really is like beating a dead horse; trying to fix hallucination issues ends up削削 some of the model's capabilities as well, which feels a bit like putting the cart before the horse.
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MerkleTreeHugger
· 6h ago
rlhf this thing really feels like fixing a house full of holes, the more you fix it, the more complicated it gets. The problem isn't with the penalty function at all; it's that we've got things backwards.
When models generate plausible-sounding but factually incorrect outputs, it raises a fundamental question: Can RLHF penalties actually override the core interpretive structures we're trying to preserve? The real puzzle here might be whether we're chasing the wrong optimization targets altogether. So here's the practical angle—are loss functions that maintain scaffold integrity actually feasible in the current training paradigm, or are we hitting hard constraints we haven't fully acknowledged yet? Worth thinking through the mechanics before scaling further.